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9/10/01 6:57:17 PM  Opening "Chat Log 9/10/01"

HOST WRTR Paul: Jasmine will be Greeting
Kathi Smith 116:    Hi Paul!
SHoffer77:  hey Jas!!
JsmnStrm:   I'm gonna try............
HOST WRTR Paul: You can start with the several visitors I see in the Den now!
JsmnStrm:   tee hee hee
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WingedKzintiLord:   hey all :)
HOST WRTR Paul: A here is our guest now.   :-)
Sryope2:    Actually, Paul, and everyone, I'd like you all to meet my friend
Sryope2:    she's a dentist too
HOST WRTR Paul: Hello LitC!   :-)
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Roy Gugat:  Sryope, another one of you?
HOST WRTR Paul: : : : put down that drill, now . . . : : : :
Sryope2:    lol
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GeorgeJim:  Good evening, All
Roy Gugat:  Hi, Litt
HOST WRTR Paul: Looks like I will be Moderating tonight.
LittCrazy:  lol hi everyone
Fletcher7:  hello everyone
HOST WRTR Paul: Everyone clear on the protocol?
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Fletcher7:  hi pual
GeorgeJim:  ?
Fletcher7:  paul
GeorgeJim:  !
Bauda:  Yes
JsmnStrm:   Hi Lit, Hi George, hi whoever I've missed.......
HOST WRTR Paul: Jasmine will explain to any surfers
GeorgeJim:  OLA!
HOST WRTR Paul: (via IMs, of course)
JsmnStrm:   Yes, IM me!
HOST WRTR Paul: Our guest tonight is Mr GH Lui
JsmnStrm:   Hi GH  Lui!!!!!  WELCOME!!!!
Roy Gugat:  GGood Evening, Mr Lui
Film Executive: Thanks. Glad to be here.
HOST WRTR Paul: He is an exectutive in a major talent development agenty in LA
HOST WRTR Paul: Handling novels, films, etc--lots of new talent
Roy Gugat:  <impressed
HOST WRTR Paul: okay, type a "?" fi you have a question, then wait your turn
Fletcher7:  ?
Film Executive: Actually, I'll make the correction and state that we're a
Management/Production Firm and not
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Film Executive: an agency. Just a slight difference, heh.
HOST WRTR Paul: ee? We learned something already.
GeorgeJim:  ?
HOST WRTR Paul: everyone remember to close your remarks with a "g/a" so I'll
know when to move along
Film Executive: For those who are unaware of the difference, as Managers,
we're able to be producers..
Film Executive: which agents aren't allowed to be.
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HOST WRTR Paul: Okay, Fletch, go ahead
Fletcher7:  hey lui
Fletcher7:  i am 24, i went to school for communications, and got a 2 year
degree for film
HOST WRTR Paul: (it helps to have your question typed up in advance)
Fletcher7:  and i also took writing courses
Fletcher7:  anyway, graduated over a year ago, and had to take a job first to
pay off bills
Fletcher7:  whats the best way to go about getting in with a company ?
Fletcher7:  internships?
Fletcher7:  im only an hour and a half from nyc
Fletcher7:  g/a
Film Executive: Yes, the best way to get in with a company would be to offer
your services as an intern.
Film Executive: What specifically are you hoping to do?
Fletcher7:  how did you go about doing it?
Fletcher7:  i would like to be in script development
Fletcher7:  g/a
Film Executive: Okay. The best avenue for you to proceed into that, would be
to look into becoming a reader.
Film Executive: A reader is basically someone who evaluates scripts for an
agency or production company.
Kathi Smith 116:    ?
Film Executive: You can find these mainly by going through your department at
school or going through
Fletcher7:  i see, could you tell me what your situation out of school was
Film Executive: books, such as the Hollywood Creative Directory, locating
firms, and sending in your resume
Film Executive: expressing your interest.
HOST WRTR Paul: Fletch, sory, but there are many with questions.   :-)
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Fletcher7:  ok paul  =)
Fletcher7:  thankyou lui
Film Executive: You're welcome.
HOST WRTR Paul: answer that, then we'll go to George
GeorgeJim:  What is your average time line from taking on a new client to
sale of the work?
Film Executive: Okay..
GeorgeJim:  sorry
Film Executive: My situation after finishing school was a bit different than
most. When I started school I
HOST WRTR Paul: (on the other hand, the rest of you can just watch!)   ;-)
Film Executive: was already actively working in the industry.
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Film Executive: As for your question, George, the turnaround really depends
on a lot of factors.
GeorgeJim:  I'm certain
Film Executive: How well the project is already put together, time we need to
put in in making it
Film Executive: presentable and market interests.
Film Executive: We've sold projects two months after taking on clients, and
sometimes years after.
GeorgeJim:  Yes, your website emphasizes presentability
Film Executive: I would say on average though, it takes about a year.
GeorgeJim:  Thank you
Film Executive: You're welcome.
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HOST WRTR Paul: sarahj, go ahead
SARAJHUB:   Would it be a waste of time to send you an unpublished manuscript?
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Film Executive: No, not at all. As a management firm, we constantly accept
unpublished and unrepresented
Film Executive: work. We are always looking for new writers. We just ask that
submission guidelines be
Film Executive: followed.
SARAJHUB:   such as?
HOST WRTR Paul: (it's all on your web site, correct?)
Film Executive: Yes, all submission guidelines are available on our website.
Roy Gugat:  ?
SARAJHUB:   thank you g/a
HOST WRTR Paul: (we'll post the link) Kathi, go ahead
Film Executive: I would suggest approaching any agency or company by
following their guidelines exactly
Kathi Smith 116:    What types of scripts are you looking for? Or what makes
a script stand out? g/a
Film Executive: We don't look at scripts based on genre at all. Instead, what
we look for are interesting
Film Executive: and unique concepts, tight story structure, and well
developed characters.
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Film Executive: Something that's polished. Too many writers submit work that
hasn't been polished
Film Executive: and I can't express how important it is that your project be
in it's best shape possible.
Kathi Smith 116:    Define polished?
Film Executive: Proof read for one. That is a major must.
Film Executive: Also, something which you've but a lot of thought and
re-writing into.
Film Executive: Check for story holes, develop your characters fully and make
sure they aren't one
Film Executive: dimensional.
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SteeIBtrfl: Hello everyone
HOST WRTR Paul: (sounds right up our alley!) Here is the link:
Kathi Smith 116:    ?
HOST WRTR Paul: sara J , go ahead
SARAJHUB:   Can you give us an idea of how long it takes to get a response
from your organization?
Film Executive: In general, we try to get back to queries within one month.
Unfortunately, we often get
Film Executive: overloaded with submissions, and therefore responses can
sometimes take a little longer.
SARAJHUB:   Must we have an agent before you will consider the work? g/a
Film Executive: No, you don't need an agent. We're a management/production
company which means we will
Film Executive: represent your project.
JsmnStrm:   ?
Film Executive: Therefore, unsigned writers are welcomed.
HOST WRTR Paul: Kathi, go ahead
Kathi Smith 116:    I've heard a lot about how tough it is to break into
Hollywood writing. Do you prefer
Kathi Smith 116:    writers of particular age groups or experience levels? g/a
Fletcher7:  ?
Film Executive: Speaking for my own company, we don't look for any particular
age groups when we sign
Film Executive: writers. Nor do we particularly look for any sort of
Film Executive: We do prefer to work with writers who have some training or
education in the area
Film Executive: they are trying to break into.
Film Executive: But it isn't a neccesity.
HOST WRTR Paul: Jasmine, go ahead
JsmnStrm:   Do you only read scripts or do you take stories?  And if you do
take stories, what do you do
JsmnStrm:   with them?  make them into movies?? ga
Film Executive: We are a full service literary agency, therefore we accept
all submissions in various forms.
Film Executive: Screenplays, manuscripts, plays, poetry, etc.
GeorgeJim:  ?
HOST WRTR Paul: Fletcher, go ahead
Fletcher7:  how did you get your start in the industry?  g/a
Film Executive: Many of our writers have had their books published and then
optioned for film.
Sryope2:    ?
Film Executive: I got my start in the industry when I was 17, in my Senior
year of high school.
Film Executive: A producer with a production company read some of my work and
asked me to join their company
Film Executive: as an analyst.
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HOST WRTR Paul: George, go ahead
GeorgeJim:  Apart from actually seeking the services of Writer's Lifeline,
what out-of-pocket expenses
Film Executive: I built from that experience and worked my way up to my
current position while attending
Film Executive: school.
GeorgeJim:  would a new client expect to contribute to their development with
Film Executive: As a client, you are not asked for any compensation until
after your project has sold.
Film Executive: After your project is sold, AEI would take a percentage, and
you would be expected to
Film Executive: reimburse the company for the amount for duplication and
postage, etc.
Roy Gugat:  Did you miss my ? ?
Film Executive: If your project does not sell, you would not be expected to
pay any costs.
Film Executive: And I suggest strongly that no one join an agency/firm that
charges a fee.
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GeorgeJim:  Again, apart from WL, does the company provide editing services
persuant to sale ?
Film Executive: If you are accepted as a client, we work strongly with you on
a one on one basis in the
Film Executive: editing of your project before we take it out.
GeorgeJim:  Excellent, again, thank you
HOST WRTR Paul: Roy? I must have . . . sorry. You can go ahead.
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Roy Gugat:  I want thank you for the link to your
Roy Gugat:  website.  --  also wanted to let people
Roy Gugat:  know that Writing Basics is doing a
Roy Gugat:  session on Editing and Correcting on Wed
Roy Gugat:  Night.  Do you accept copies of published
Roy Gugat:  books for submissions?
Film Executive: You're welcome.
Film Executive: What would the circumstances be in sending a project that is
already published?
Roy Gugat:  to make a film
Film Executive: If it's the film rights in which you are hoping to sell, we
would most certainly take a look
Film Executive: at it. But in general, a script usually accompanies the work.
Roy Gugat:  ok
HOST WRTR Paul: Sryope, go ahead
Roy Gugat:  ga
Sryope2:    how many books have you had published for clients?  Made into
films?  do your clients get a
Sryope2:    percentage of gross or net when their books are made into films.
Sryope2:    also what are the usual compensations, etc.  ga
Film Executive: We have had over 30 manuscripts published in the past two
years. I don't have a total number
Film Executive: in the entire history of the company.
Film Executive: As for films, we've had 6 films in production in the past two
as well.
Film Executive: As a writer, you are not given net or gross points on a film.
You're given a flat fee when
Film Executive: your project is bought.
Film Executive: Writers don't generally see net or gross amounts from film.
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Sryope2:    why then are there so many writers who sue when they get net
Sryope2:    and the producers say there was no profit
Sryope2:    ga
Sryope2:    oh, and what is the range of compensation.  sorry.  ga
HOST WRTR Paul: saraj, go ahead   (my you eWorlder folks are quiet tonight!)
Film Executive: Those writers are generally ones who have had multiple
projects sold and are extremely well
HOST WRTR Paul: opps
Film Executive: established.
HOST WRTR Paul: please answer first
SARAJHUB:   Would it be possible to know at least one of those films' title?
HOST WRTR Paul: (check the web site!)
Film Executive: Yes, we've just completed two projects, "Joe Somebody"
starring Tim Allen
Film Executive: And "Life or Something Like It" with Angelina Jolie.
Kathi Smith 116:    ?
HOST WRTR Paul: Kathi, go ahead
Kathi Smith 116:    Just out of curiousity, how did you procure those films?
Kathi Smith 116:    Did the writers send you scripts? g/a
Bauda:  ?
Sryope2:    ?
Film Executive: Well, we represented the writer. We then took the project out
to various studios..
Film Executive: A bidding took place, and Fox Studios purchased it.
HOST WRTR Paul: Bauda, go ahead
Kathi Smith 116:    Can you give us a range for what the writers made?
Bauda:  would  it be easyer to sell a script if I have a director or actor
attached to it?
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Film Executive: For that particular writer, projects were sold at over 1.5
million each.
Kathi Smith 116:    <thud>
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JsmnStrm:   And that's what the writer got?????????????
Film Executive: No. In most cases, the studios do not want to see a script if
a director or writer is attach
Film Executive: attached.
Bauda:  Why is that?
Film Executive: Unless it's a Major talent, and most likely, they would be
producing it themselves.
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Film Executive: Yes, that is the writer's amount not considering fees and
AEI's percentage.
Bauda:  Thank you.
Bauda:  Ga
Fletcher7:  ?
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HOST WRTR Paul: sryope, go ahead
Sryope2:    I still would like to know how much a script goes for  -- for
novices that is.  Also are you
Sryope2:    selling the book or the script when you say project
Sryope2:    ga
Sryope2:    thanks
HOST WRTR Paul: (tough questions, but we can handle that!)    ;-)
Film Executive: Projects can range in sale price, depending on what the
project is.
Film Executive: You can go from $100,000-Millions..
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Film Executive: And as for project, it can go for either manuscripts or
Film Executive: Screenplays obviously sell for higher.
Sryope2:    so you might shop an unpublished novel as a basis for a
Film Executive: Yes, we have done that before. In fact, we have a bidding war
for the rights to one of our
Film Executive: manuscripts which has yet to be published.
Kathi Smith 116:    ?
HOST WRTR Paul: saraj, go ahead
SARAJHUB:   But that's a one-time-only monitary deal?g/a
Film Executive: Sorry, Sarah, is what a one-time monetary deal?
SARAJHUB:   I mean if he/she sells the manuscript for a film, the writer
SARAJHUB:   can never use that work again and hope to get money?
Sryope2:    ?
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Film Executive: It is usually a one time payment. Unless the writer is asked
to write for the project.
Film Executive: But once you sell the film rights, they are sold.
SARAJHUB:   I'm sorry, I mean for instance if the work is used in Europe,
will the writer see any profit
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GeorgeJim:  ?
Film Executive: Again, once you've sold the rights to the work, they're sold.
Regardless of where they are
Film Executive: used.
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HOST WRTR Paul: Fletcher, go ahead
Fletcher7:  do you ever go on location?
Fletcher7:  of a shoot?
Fletcher7:  g/a
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Film Executive: Yes, we have recently been to Canada, Washington, New York,
and Minnesota for various
Film Executive: projects.
HOST WRTR Paul: Kathi, go ahead
Kathi Smith 116:    If you buy a novel then develop it into a screenplay,
does the author get paid for the
Kathi Smith 116:    screenplay or just for the novel? g/a
Film Executive: Most likely, we would work with the writer to develop the
project into a screenplay and
Film Executive: therefore, there would be monetary compensation for the
writer when it is sold to a studio.
Film Executive: However, if the rights were the only thing sold, with no
other involvement, you would only
Film Executive: be given money for the rights.
HOST WRTR Paul: sryope, go ahead
Sryope2:    do you protect your writers from screenplay canibalism -- I hear
that's rampant.  Where a ma
Sryope2:    management company keeps files of lots of scripts and then mines
them for ideas when a studi
Sryope2:    studio is looking for a certain kind of script and the original
authors get no compensation.
Sryope2:    Also don't you sell options as well as rights so that when
Sryope2:    something isn't produced after a few years the author can resell?
Sryope2:    ga
Film Executive: Well, the problem with that is that there really is no
protection for that because ideas
Film Executive: cannot be copywritten. If large chunks of a script are used,
then there would be a cause for
Film Executive: a lawsuit. But if similiar ideas are taken, there isn't much
that one can do.
Film Executive: And yes, options, which are different from rights are often
done, usually at the studios
Film Executive: discretion.
Sryope2:    do you then recommend registering scripts
Sryope2:    before submitting
Cyncity 1:  ?
Sryope2:    ga
HOST WRTR Paul: george, go ahead
GeorgeJim:  obviously some here are interested in learning the art of the
movie deal, points, backend...
Film Executive: I recommend getting a script copywritten before submitting
it.. but that doesn't protect the
Film Executive: "idea" only the product.
GeorgeJim:  I'm interested to learn the size of your staff
JES No Time:    ?
Film Executive: Our major staff in L.A. is condensed of about 10 people in
our offices here.
GeorgeJim:  Affiliate?
Film Executive: We do so in order to be able to work personally with our
Film Executive: Worldwide, our company employs approximately 80
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GeorgeJim:  Which, I must say, is very attractive to me in reviewing your
HOST WRTR Paul: Cyndia, go ahead
Cyncity 1:  i thought when something is written it's protected..that's why
agents don't like the
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GeorgeJim:  Thank you, sir.
Film Executive: I'm glad as it's intentional. We feel that that's one of the
most important things.
Cyncity 1:  copywrite symbol...sign of an amateur/ga
Film Executive: It's also what has made us the top 10 in what we do.
HOST WRTR Paul: (we're nearing the top of the hour! We'll take Jess's Q for
HOST WRTR Paul: jess, go ahead
JES No Time:    Are there any limits to how long a manuscript you will
accept? ga
Film Executive: It is copywritten to an extent, but it's better to register
it with the copywrite offices.
Film Executive: And the c symbol and agents thing is a myth.
Film Executive: No, there are no limits to length. Our primary concern is the
content and how well it moves.
JES No Time:    Even up to 700 pages plus?
Film Executive: If that is what it takes to tell the story, but in most
cases, it's not.
HOST WRTR Paul: (Tolkien's is what, 2000 pages?)
JES No Time:    Like S. King.
JES No Time:    Thanks  ga
HOST WRTR Paul: And that's a wrap!
HOST WRTR Paul: (Did I sound like a director?)
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JsmnStrm:   Great evening!!!!!!!!!  Thanks Mr Lui.........
Kathi Smith 116:    I was impressed, Paul
HOST WRTR Paul: Mr. Lui, and further comments?
JES No Time:    Lights, camera,  action!!
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JsmnStrm:   :::Clap:::::::
Kathi Smith 116:    Thank you, Mr. Lui.
Film Executive: You're welcome. Hopefully I was able to provide some
JsmnStrm:   You were very informative...
JES No Time:    VEry interesting meeting
HOST WRTR Paul: Anyone who's interested in our critique group online, please
email me.
Film Executive: If anyone ever has any further questions, I'm in these rooms
a lot, so feel free to send a
Film Executive: message.
JsmnStrm:   Yes, paul Knows Everything!!!!!!!!!!!
JsmnStrm:   LOL.. :)
JsmnStrm:   Thanks Mr Lui....
JES No Time:    Under this name?
GeorgeJim:  What a pleasure it has been...
Film Executive: Also, in the future, I'd like to develop some sort of contest
for submissions, if theres
Fletcher7:  thankyou lui
Film Executive: interest.
Film Executive: Yes, under this name.
Fletcher7:  appreciate your answers
HOST WRTR Paul: (I will work on that with Mr. Lui in the days to come)
Film Executive: Thank you all for your time and your questions.
HOST WRTR Paul: (not sure of the particulars at all, at this stage . . . )
GeorgeJim:  Our privilage.
JsmnStrm:   Thank you for coming to our group....................
Film Executive: Most welcome.
JES No Time:    Thank You!

9/10/01 8:14:32 PM  Closing "Chat Log 9/10/01"