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HOST WPLC Lyric: Tonight we're discussing a submission by our member roy
gugat
HOST WPLC Lyric: called Egg soup part two
WONiJACKS: Oh, good, submissions....
Kathi Smith 116: nice boogie board, donna
Dcudlbug: Welcome to all first-timers. Hope you all wore your hip boots.
It's gonna gset DEEP in here.
HOST WPLC Lyric: about a terrorist organization that brings the earth's
population way down and the ramifications there of
HOST WPLC Dee R: ::::digging toes in warm sand::::::
Kathi Smith 116: cuddles, you may have to carry me
Dcudlbug: Kathi, I have broad shoulders and a strong back. Please forgive
the weak mind, though.
HOST WPLC Dee R: Wonijacks, can't IM you
WONiJACKS: <---Having trouble finding an agent....
OnlineHost: MizPeld has left the room.
Kathi Smith 116: roy, are you aware that you've doubled up a few emails?
sent out the same one twice?
Avendoral: <---Has a editor lined up. :)
Kathi Smith 116: cuddles, it's the shoulders that really count, don't worry
G1ft0fgabn0t: alternatively, Roy, we have received some of your responsa two
times ;)
WONiJACKS: I know, Dee.... I don't do IMs..... and aol won't let me
selectively IMs for the chats....
HOST WPLC Dee R: congrats Avendoral
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pvogelbacher: coming, going to nyc hoping to pitch my story
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PHeeren: lric, I will go fro and to the chat as I put the finishing touches
to my crits, ok, lyric?
JsmnStrm: hey all. :)
Vladytoe: I noticed the one roy sent out with my hand in the heading was not
even what I sent him, but that's okay, his blood was probably low at the time
Avendoral: Your a romance writer, gel?
BornToVector: Hi folks, sorry I'm late
PHeeren: crit, I mean
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WONiJACKS: Dee....I put you on my "approved" e-mail list
JsmnStrm: Oh Barry, you bad bad man!
WONiJACKS: brb
HOST WPLC Dee R: no..Avendoral...we do all kinds of fiction
HOST WPLC Lyric: Wonijacks you can select Donna as an approved IMer
Roy Gugat: Did anyone NOT get a response to a crit?
HOST WPLC Dee R: just sent it Woni
HOST WPLC Lyric: actually, it's a rule here that your IM's must be open
Vladytoe: Not me Roy
OnlineHost: LindaBleser has left the room.
HOST WPLC Lyric: at least to the hosts
Deluge3: I don't believe I did, Roy.
PHeeren: roy, I am almost done with my crit
HOST WPLC Lyric: Tom, we need to start you a day earlier
HOST WPLC Lyric: lol
Fjm3eyes: I didnn't either Roy
HOST WPLC Dee R: you got a good response, considering it went out
late...compliment to your writing, Roy
pvogelbacher: I thought I was late
HOST WPLC Lyric: actually, I should say, Thomas
OnlineHost: Omalleywriter has left the room.
HOST WPLC Lyric: <G>
WONiJACKS: Hmmm, I'll look into that.... maybe I can select IM approval for
some....
Sunan21: I havent checked today Roy. susan
PHeeren: yes, you mean my story, right?
Kathi Smith 116: i didn't get a response, roy
PHeeren: or my crit?
BrownDvs: Oh I'm sorry, is there protocol here tonight?
OnlineHost: Fjm3eyes has left the room.
HOST WPLC Lyric: wonijacks go into your buddy screen and click preferences
at the bottom and then privacy tab at the top of the next screen. It's self
explanatory
HOST WPLC Dee R: protocol or not is up to Roy
OnlineHost: Avendoral has left the room.
HOST WPLC Lyric: okay, every one on
Deluge3: So far tonight is a free for all.
HOST WPLC Lyric: roy, protocol or not?
BornToVector: I dont think I got a response either Roy. I just figured you
were busy
HOST WPLC Lyric: Absent a response I'll assume not
HOST WPLC Lyric: Roy, where would you like to begin?
HOST WPLC Lyric: Anyone here have anything that really bothered them?
HOST WPLC Lyric: Gabby? Kathi?
HOST WPLC Lyric: <G>
PHeeren: <--confused over why you wanted me to email the story earlier on
the date before the 30th
HOST WPLC Dee R: Y'all better behave or we'll squeal on you to Paul, lol
G1ft0fgabn0t: :-X
Roy Gugat: Violet === I just resent it
Dcudlbug: I didn't get a response to my crit either, I figured I'd insulted
Roy.
HOST WPLC Lyric: because you're always one day late, Thomas
HOST WPLC Lyric: lol
HOST WPLC Lyric: you need the extra time
HOST WPLC Lyric: we love ya anyway
PHeeren: oh
BrownDvs: I didn't get much of a response either. :-(
Kathi Smith 116: i just feel strongly that part two didn't contain enough
original material that wasn't covered in part to merit a separate pov
OnlineHost: Fjm3eyes has entered the room.
HOST WPLC Lyric: it is optional to send a response
Deluge3: I was not sure that the Arab brain rot motif contributed to the
story. It came across as an afterthought in a story that held together
without it.
Vladytoe: Roy, that was not mine, it was my heading, but with what Connie
sent you
Vladytoe: I sent an email telling you
Roy Gugat: oh
Roy Gugat: olater then
HOST WPLC Dee R: don't worry, Roy... we are already out the gate with two
things to discuss..one from Kathi and one from Dale (deluge)
HOST WPLC Dee R: any response?
Vladytoe: Roy, is there enough blood getting to your brain? Think maybe its
time to use that extra pint of blood?
WONiJACKS: OK, Dee and Lyric are both added to my e-mail list....
HOST WPLC Dee R: thanks, Wonijack, did you get my email already?
HOST WPLC Lyric: even though we're not on protocol, guys, can we give Roy a
chance to answer the first two points?
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga Roy...take deep breath.
PHeeren: lyric, I finished my crit....hope roy will read it afterwards
Dcudlbug: The Arab brain rot was a good idea, considering the narrater's
personal prejudices. Reason for the prejudices hsould be brought out in the
story, though. I believe they were explained in response to a crit.
HOST WPLC Dee R: he will, Thomas
HOST WPLC Lyric: yes, I am sure he will Thomas, I was just teasing
Roy Gugat: let's go to protocol
PHeeren: oh
Roy Gugat: I missed those two Qs
HOST WPLC Dee R: lets start first with Kathi, then Dale...who asked
questions
pvogelbacher: ?
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga Kathy,
pvogelbacher: A Q is a ?
Roy Gugat: yes
HOST WPLC Dee R: then Dale, then Pvogel
HOST WPLC Dee R: Dale just asked us to do protocol, Sry
HOST WPLC Dee R: Roy
Roy Gugat: PROTOCOL PLEASE
Fjm3eyes: !
OnlineHost: WONiJACKS has left the room.
HOST WPLC Dee R: Kathi..ga
Kathi Smith 116: i just feel strongly that part two didn't contain enough
original material that wasn't covered in part to merit a separate pov
pvogelbacher: roy I didn't read the previous submission but liked this one.
I feel you should have told more about what your group did to the drs caught
selling your kids
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pvogelbacher: oops sorry hit the key
HOST WPLC Dee R: Roy...response to Kathi?
Roy Gugat: Any questions?
G1ft0fgabn0t: ?
HOST WPLC Lyric: kathi, would you go first and repost your question?
HOST WPLC Lyric: ga
Roy Gugat: I understand Kathi's opinion
HOST WPLC Dee R: okay...so no response?
HOST WPLC Dee R: then, Dale is next...ga
Deluge3: I thought the story was really complete before you brought in the
Arab brain rot motif. The villainy of the character was already established.
Deluge3: ga
Roy Gugat: She had no question -- only expressed an opinion
HOST WPLC Dee R: you can respond to an opinion, too...
HOST WPLC Dee R: but, now we're on to Dale...response to him, Roy?
Roy Gugat: yeah
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga
Roy Gugat: He was trying to take the Arabs out of the picture
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Roy Gugat: Brain rot did that
Deluge3: I thought that would be another story. Develop it further or skip
it.
HOST WPLC Lyric: Roy, we have a request that you choose a dark color and
bold your type. some here can't read you very well
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BrownDvs: !
Roy Gugat: He manipulated the Pres into providing the time for the brain rot
to work
OnlineHost: Oaeea has left the room.
HOST WPLC Dee R: when done, type ga, Roy
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: Peggy is next
pvogelbacher: dang ga to the next, I erased my question
Roy Gugat: ga
pvogelbacher: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: here is Peggy's question: roy I didn't read the previous
submission but liked this one. I feel you should have told more about what
your group did to the drs caught selling your kids
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga, Roy
Roy Gugat: Peg ===> that was covered in the previous
pvogelbacher: and it's not anything about her return and I thought that was
very important
HOST WPLC Dee R: okay...moving on to Frank
Fjm3eyes: I thought the word "planted" for buriel was good a good choice
given the story..........it forwarned of a casual, seedy situation /ga
Roy Gugat: does the way he expresses it detract from the story too much?
BornToVector: I liked planted
OnlineHost: Harterone has left the room.
Fjm3eyes: thanks Born
HOST WPLC Dee R: I didn't think it was bad...creative license to say planted
Roy Gugat: Planted is not true to the character
Roy Gugat: except my own
HOST WPLC Lyric: I thought planted was a good term
pvogelbacher: doesn't like planted
HOST WPLC Lyric: expressive and not cliche
Fjm3eyes: then why did you use it?
Vladytoe: Olden days they used the word palnted instead of bury
Roy Gugat: It may be a good term for me, but not for Carl
HOST WPLC Lyric: it also meant to punch in the nose
BornToVector: Theres a little autobiography in all our writing though
HOST WPLC Dee R: Gabby is next, then Adam
BrownDvs: True that Barry
G1ft0fgabn0t: waiting for Roy's ga
Roy Gugat: ga
G1ft0fgabn0t: Who is your target audience? In which venue do you intend to
showcase this work?
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga Gabby
G1ft0fgabn0t: ga
Roy Gugat: I intend to send this to sci-fi mags -- Asimov first
Vladytoe: !
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga?Roy?
PHeeren: ?
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: Adam, ga
BrownDvs: It's my turn now? :-)
HOST WPLC Dee R: yes, it is...step up to the plate, ga
Fjm3eyes: ?
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HOST WPLC Lyric: ( Pheeren is now Thomas)
HOST WPLC Dee R: Adam, ga
Roy Gugat: June is too early for apples
ApplesNJune: never to early for Apples
BrownDvs: Well Roy I just wanted to say that I thought you
BrownDvs: explained the bacteria/disease very, very well in this
BrownDvs: portion of your story. It all just seemed to fall
BrownDvs: together to me. Furthermore, I would like to say you
BrownDvs: were mighty graphic in your killing sequence. I
BrownDvs: could take a note from you on that for future ref. ;-)
BrownDvs: ga
Roy Gugat: =-O GA
HOST WPLC Dee R: Violet next, then Thomas, then Frank
Vladytoe: Wouldn't this fit medical/mystery?
Vladytoe: ga
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HOST WPLC Lyric: wb harterone
Roy Gugat: Vi -- futuristic medical mystery
HOST WPLC Lyric: not really, Violet. Medical mystery has to be very, very acurate
with the medical aspect. This wouldn't fit that, sorry.
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: Thomas, ga
PHeeren: I am confused....is the arab scheme rather drastic to make girls
models for growing overpopulations? ga8-)
OnlineHost: ApplesNJune has left the room.
HOST WPLC Dee R: Roy?
Roy Gugat: Tom -- drastic? no - just like today
Kathi Smith 116: ?
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga? Frank?
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Fjm3eyes: Roy, why the mention of Arabs? /ga (I see I'm late on this one
:) ) /ga
Roy Gugat: Arabs were to show another side of the villain
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga? Roy?
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: okay..Kathi, ga
Kathi Smith 116: that's the second time you've referred to it being 'just
like today'. what does that mean? ga
Roy Gugat: females have no status among arabs
Roy Gugat: ga
Harterone: <oooh...I disagree>
Harterone: <sorry, had to interrupt>
HOST WPLC Dee R: no problem...
BrownDvs: You right there Roy. ;-)
HOST WPLC Dee R: you can ? or !
Fjm3eyes: ?
HOST WPLC Dee R: Frank...is next
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga, Frank
Fjm3eyes: Do Arabs have an issue with population control /ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: ?
pvogelbacher: !
Roy Gugat: I know very little about Arab attitudes on pop control
Harterone: !!!
Roy Gugat: ga
Fjm3eyes: !
pvogelbacher: I believe chinese have population control... could be wrong..
ga
BrownDvs: I wouldn't doubt it Peggy.
Roy Gugat: peg -- limit one child per couple
HOST WPLC Dee R: Response to Peggy, Roy?
Roy Gugat: ga
pvogelbacher: I wanted to comment on I thought it was the chinese
HOST WPLC Lyric: they have the most brutal birth control program in the
world
HOST WPLC Dee R: What do you think of having a counterpoint to the
disagreeable main character...
HOST WPLC Dee R: someone reader can root for? ga
BrownDvs: They do Sry?
Roy Gugat: such as?
HOST WPLC Dee R: well, the main character is so unlikeable, it's hard to
feel sympathy for him...he doesn't have any concept of what he did
Roy Gugat: I wanted this story to be different from the previous
HOST WPLC Lyric: ( how about Becky)
HOST WPLC Dee R: so, how about another character who battles him..who has
the conscience
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: felt sorry for becky, not her father
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga
BrownDvs: Me, I just figured this was the bad guy's side of things where as
the first version was the good guy's side. :-P
HOST WPLC Lyric: (that's what makes Becky the ideal counterpoint, IMO)
Roy Gugat: Do we also need Becky's story included and make it a trilogy?
Kathi Smith 116: ?
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: becky could find out it was her father's fault
BrownDvs: That sounds like a good idea there Roy.
Sunan21: !
HOST WPLC Lyric: that's good Dee
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HOST WPLC Dee R: ga Harterone
Harterone: well, since I didn't critique the piece, or read it..I'm
reluctant
HOST WPLC Dee R: hey, just jump in.
Harterone: to say anything..however, I can tell you that what the folks
Harterone: in the western world think they know about Arabs and their
attitudes towards
Harterone: women is underreported and not well understood. I just
Harterone: spent 7 months backtracking it and researching it
Harterone: for my real job. Women have a very definite place in Arab culture
and society
Harterone: it's just so different from ours we see it as non existent, which
could not be
Harterone: farther from the truth. There is a limit on wives though- 4
Harterone: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: I assume that's a comment, lol
HOST WPLC Dee R: a good one, Hart
BrownDvs: Yes, Harter, but is that place commensurate with the place women
have in our society?
HOST WPLC Lyric: lets stay on the topic of Roy's submission, guys
HOST WPLC Lyric: as fascinating as this is
HOST WPLC Dee R: ! means you have information on a point
BrownDvs: Sorry Sry. :-D
HOST WPLC Dee R: any response, Roy?
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Lyric: ga Frank
Fjm3eyes: then why even mention the Arabs? Are you making a point that I'm
missing? /ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: Frank?
HOST WPLC Dee R: roy, response to Frank?
Roy Gugat: His wife died at Arab hands and he leaves Arabs out of his pop
equation
HOST WPLC Dee R: ah...new bit of info
pvogelbacher: !
Fjm3eyes: !
Roy Gugat: but thinks he is not being prejudiced toward them
HOST WPLC Lyric: why don't you write that in, then, Roy, how should we know
that?
Roy Gugat: it is in there
Roy Gugat: Too subtle?
HOST WPLC Lyric: not from his POV in part two
Roy Gugat: yup
HOST WPLC Dee R: must be, I didn't catch it.
HOST WPLC Dee R: anyway, good point
Vladytoe: I missed it then
HOST WPLC Dee R: you might want to emphasize it more
HOST WPLC Lyric: anyone here catch it? type a ***
BrownDvs: I didn't. :-)
Fjm3eyes: Leaves Arabs out of? I didn't get that! /ga
G1ft0fgabn0t: ***
PHeeren: !
pvogelbacher: so it's revenge for his wife dying at their hands? missed it
BrownDvs: ***
HOST WPLC Dee R: good feedback for Roy
HOST WPLC Lyric: no, **** means you DID get it Adam
HOST WPLC Lyric: so far Gabby is the only one
BrownDvs: Right
Omalleywriter: !
Roy Gugat: revenge is a factor
Dcudlbug: I caught it in response to a crit earlier in the week. Not in the
submission itself.
Fjm3eyes: !
HOST WPLC Lyric: same here
HOST WPLC Dee R: Kathi, ga
Kathi Smith 116: what do you feel is remarkably different in this story as
opposed to the first in so far as events and characterization? ga
Roy Gugat: The biggest diff is the POV
Kathi Smith 116: aside from pov
Roy Gugat: Brings out the Hezbone
Roy Gugat: What else do you want, Kathi?
Roy Gugat: I have already read your crit thought that this is a waste of
time
Roy Gugat: is ok
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga? roy?
Roy Gugat: ga
BrownDvs: lol
HOST WPLC Dee R: okay...we have five people...and that is it for tonight
BrownDvs: ?
Sunan21: Would you consider giving us more info on Becky's disappearance
after all 5 years gone and nothing to say about it?ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: Sunan, Peggy, Frank, Thomas P., then O'malley...and
okay...Adam
HOST WPLC Dee R: Adam is the last one
Sunan21: jumped the gun
Roy Gugat: Sue -- she was held in the USA - not Japan
HOST WPLC Dee R: nope, you are okay,
Roy Gugat: was not treated nicely
Sunan21: Does anyone know that? ga
Roy Gugat: no
Roy Gugat: just her and I
HOST WPLC Dee R: might be a good dramatic foil to story
Roy Gugat: if she really knows it
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga? Roy?
Roy Gugat: But sge is really closed mouth about her experience
Roy Gugat: will be tough to draw anything out of her
Sunan21: OK, ga
Roy Gugat: ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: Peggy is next, then Frank, Thomas P.
HOST WPLC Dee R: O'malley and Adam
HOST WPLC Dee R: Peggy, ga
pvogelbacher: I'd like to see a little more description of becky, and more
of her return. I felt it was an eplosion, she came back but you didn't make
me feel anything.. just she returned? ga
Roy Gugat: Peg -- thank you for that comment
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga? Frank?
Roy Gugat: ga
Fjm3eyes: Your going off/deviating from principal story, was confusing to me
Roy........unless that was your intention. Unless you wanted main chatacter
to be thought of as a real evil, non caring guy. In this case, it worked for
me /ga
HOST WPLC Dee R: Frank...
pvogelbacher: here you were fighting for her possible return but nothing ga
pvogelbacher: oops, sorry, bad finger's
Roy Gugat: The doc never really put forth a lot of feeling about losing
Becky
Fjm3eyes: my commennt was made, Dee
HOST WPLC Dee R: okay, then Thomas P is next
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga Thomas
Roy Gugat: ga
PHeeren: I feel a little queasy about you using Arabs in the story...what if
Arab readers would be offended by your using Arab...how about using non
Christians to appease the Arab Americans? ga
Vladytoe: Well folks, this has been fun, but I must go. Next week, same
place, same time. Until then, nite
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Roy Gugat: no thank you
HHOST WPLC Lyric: wait, Violet -- before you go
HOST WPLC Dee R: before we get to OMalleywriter, lets' welcome him into the
group
Roy Gugat: gone she is
pvogelbacher: !
HOST WPLC Dee R: Tom...welcome!!!!
Fjm3eyes: welcome OM
HOST WPLC Lyric: Welcome TOM!!!!!
PHeeren: hi tom 1
PHeeren: lol
Deluge3: Welcome Tom! The more the merrier!
BornToVector: Welcome Tom or is it Thomas
HOST WPLC Lyric: and thanks to Pheeren for now consenting to be called Tomas
Sunan21: Hay Tom
G1ft0fgabn0t: Welcome Tom :)
Roy Gugat: Welcome, Tom
HOST WPLC Dee R: please put him on your email list
Omalleywriter: Thanks all. I'll pass my comment for tonight and defer to
Adam
Fjm3eyes: we still in protocol?
HOST WPLC Dee R: remember, he is Tom...and PheHeeren is Thomas
HOST WPLC Lyric: no such thing, Tom, when it's your turn go
HOST WPLC Dee R: yes...Frank
G1ft0fgabn0t: No need to defer to anyone Tom ;)
HOST WPLC Lyric: okay, Back to Roy
HOST WPLC Dee R: Tom is next, then Adam
Fjm3eyes: okay
Roy Gugat: ga
PHeeren: well, I am gonna get ready for bed, guys
HOST WPLC Dee R: after that, all bets off
HOST WPLC Dee R: night Thomas
PHeeren: goodnight
G1ft0fgabn0t: nite Thomas
PHeeren: take care
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga Tom
Fjm3eyes: bye PH
Omalleywriter: Well, I finally got to read part one and it really helped
make sense of part two.
OnlineHost: PHeeren has left the room.
Roy Gugat: Tom -- but did part two stabd alone
Omalleywriter: But I felt the Prof. was completely the wrong individual to
have as the villian. Just my opinion.
HOST WPLC Dee R: who would you suggest as villain?
Omalleywriter: It did, Roy, but was much clearer when I finally realized
what his motive was for wiping the Arabs out
Omalleywriter: You had some other zealots
HOST WPLC Dee R: ga?
Omalleywriter: Funding people who can be the crazies and use the science of
others.
Roy Gugat: too m,any around for one small world
Roy Gugat: ga
Omalleywriter: That way you don't have trouble with "voice" of a academic
Omalleywriter: ga
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HOST WPLC Dee R: response, Roy?
OnlineHost: RsmGrg has left the room.
OnlineHost: RsmGrg has entered the room.
BornToVector: well, I'm off to La La land to dream of big contracts. catch
you all later on
G1ft0fgabn0t: Time for me to head out gang. G'nite all. Tom, welcome to the
wild wacky world of writer ;)
HOST WPLC Dee R: And Lastly...Adam...after that open for general discussion.
OnlineHost: RsmGrg has left the room.
Fjm3eyes: bye Born
BrownDvs: Hey Roy, are you going to lower the number you have in your
"little" consoritium which is currently of 80 or so? I think the others made
a good point with that being too many for security purposes. ga
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Roy Gugat: 80 might still work as the number -- so long as other security
measures are taken
BrownDvs: Mmm, okay
OnlineHost: WONiJACKS has left the room.
Roy Gugat: but what?
BrownDvs: If I may how about a way to have most of them implanted with some
type of device that would prevent them from revealing the secrets without
their knowledge? ;-)
OnlineHost: Roy Gugat has left the room.
Harterone: are we out of protocol now?
HOST WPLC Dee R: yep, we are out of protocol
Fjm3eyes: good
HOST WPLC Dee R: Roy...thanks for a good session.
HOST WPLC Dee R: it certainly moved along
Omalleywriter: Nice job, Roy
BrownDvs: Who are you talking to Donna? He's gone!
HOST WPLC Dee R: and no messy blood on the fingers.
HOST WPLC Lyric: yes he is
HOST WPLC Dee R: you're kidding...
HOST WPLC Dee R: lol
Braguine: Thanks for the scoop Lyric
HOST WPLC Dee R: my, my...talk about fast
BrownDvs: I would like to thank both you and Sry though for a good session.
Once again you two are good at the organization.
Deluge3: Mystery of the disappearing writers.
HOST WPLC Lyric: look forward to seeing you again Braguine
HOST WPLC Lyric: I have an idea guys
HOST WPLC Dee R: thanks, Adam..course it'd help if I saw the guest speaker
leave
Harterone: <hate that he left, I wanted to say something else about
Arabs...:-)
Fjm3eyes: Roy, did you read my last comment?
HOST WPLC Lyric: instead of strict protocol, why don't we use modified
protocol, where it's one question at a time
HOST WPLC Dee R: I know, Hart...I understand, believe me.
HOST WPLC Lyric: but where anyone can make comments pertaining to that one
point? Could we all stand that?
Fjm3eyes: gee.......where'd Roy go?
Braguine: Bye everyone
BrownDvs: What did you want to say Harter?
HOST WPLC Dee R: Frank, Roy is gone, so they've told me.
HOST WPLC Lyric: he didn't say goodbye, did he?
HOST WPLC Dee R: night, Braguine, come again
Harterone: I wanted to say I was fine with Arabs being villians, however
since 9-11 there are
BrownDvs: Roy went bye-bye real fast Frank.
HOST WPLC Dee R: I don't think so...maybe he got bumped
Harterone: a lot more people who have
Harterone: educated themselves, from whatever means (i.e. editors) abotut
what
OnlineHost: Braguine has left the room.
Harterone: is and aint, so he'd need to be more versed on what's what,
without going
Fjm3eyes: oh......too bad!
HOST WPLC Dee R: I think he'll have a hard sell on it unless he shows some
change in attitude.
HOST WPLC Dee R: the main character, I mean
BrownDvs: Granted.
Harterone: off half-cocked. cause that would show up a weakness immediately,
fiction or not
BrownDvs: I mean the hate sentiments against Arabs is truely there in the
story.
Kathi Smith 116: good point, hart
BrownDvs: However, I thought that fit his character.
HOST WPLC Lyric: I also wanted to clarify one thing
HOST WPLC Lyric: medical mystery readers won't accept fluff medical writing
HOST WPLC Dee R: that's what I thought too, Adam...but needed some redeeming
quality
Fjm3eyes: okay, did anyone see my last comment to Roy?
HOST WPLC Dee R: you're right, Lyric
HOST WPLC Lyric: they are the kind of people that made the Andromeda Strain
a best seller even though it wasn't a medical mystery
HOST WPLC Lyric: those people know more about biology than I do
HOST WPLC Dee R: you might want to email it to him, Frank
BrownDvs: Yes, Donna, in the beginning I thought that he was going to show
the softer side of the professor. That kind of got thrown out the window when
he went on about killing those guys. lol
HOST WPLC Dee R: well...I'm off...my poor fingers are numb...
Kathi Smith 116: there's another point to consider...if you're telling a
story from the pov of the bad guy...he's not required to be likable or
right...just properly motivated
HOST WPLC Dee R: my brain has turned to mush...night all
Harterone: agree kathi
BrownDvs: Not a bad point there Kathi.
Harterone: my protag isn't likeable right off.
HOST WPLC Dee R: and something has to happen in the end...a change in main
character, or something else
Harterone: in fact, you wanna shake her, but at least you wanna do something
BrownDvs: So Harter, are women as free in the Arab world as they are here?
Fjm3eyes: that's eight, Kathi
HOST WPLC Dee R: night all
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Fjm3eyes: right
Omalleywriter: Gonna bail out, folks.
BrownDvs: Goodnight Donna.
BrownDvs: I prefer to think one has nothing to do with the other. What I
mean is do the Arab women have the same opportunities and liberties American
women have.
Harterone: no, because they are not American women. Not trying to be glib,
but in the context of their lives and religion they have lots of
Fjm3eyes: anything think Roy's apparent deviations from story were
intentionnal?
Harterone: special freedoms...they don't translate to american freedoms
Fjm3eyes: or did I only see that?
Harterone: apples/oranges
BrownDvs: I see and is this completely accepted by all Arab women?
Harterone: most, readily
Deluge3: What do you mean by deviation from story?
Harterone: because it's prescribed that way in the Qur'an, which to them is
the
Harterone: ultimate source of info on how to behave.
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Fjm3eyes: Del.........I meant Arabs.........mention of terrorism
Harterone: It's dictated down to the hajib they wear
OnlineHost: Braguine has left the room.
Fjm3eyes: he did mention it, didn't he?
BrownDvs: Well then Harter I guess if that's what they want, then so be it.
Deluge3: I don't remember, Frank.
HOST WPLC Lyric: Hart, are you muslim?
Fjm3eyes: okay
Harterone: they think that's what Allah said was the only way to go to
heaven...and since they think we are non-believers, we don't "get it"
Harterone: NOooooo. reporter.
Harterone: <catholic
BrownDvs: My only concern is the women. As long as they are completely
complacent about their lifestyles then I gots nuthin to say.
Deluge3: Last year in Saudi Arabia, in Mecca, they had about 15 girls died
in a dormitory fire because they couldn't flee the building without their
veils.
Harterone: mostly, cause they don't know any different and it would be a sin
to deviate from teh Qur'an.
HOST WPLC Lyric: oh that's horrid, Dale
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Harterone: the qur'an tells um not to go out in public, and the Saudi laws
just reinforce that
HOST WPLC Lyric: well, goodnight everyone
Deluge3: Even some Saudis think so, Lyric.
HOST WPLC Lyric: see you next week
Harterone: <sorry, didn't mean to preach.
BrownDvs: Goodnight Sry
Harterone: jsut imparting too much info
HOST WPLC Lyric: Harterone, if you want to proceed and do a crit for next
week
Kathi Smith 116: night all
HOST WPLC Lyric: please email me
HOST WPLC Lyric: bye!
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Harterone: sure...Lyric. sign me up
BrownDvs: That sounds beyond stupid to me Harter, just my opinion.
Fjm3eyes: night kathi
Harterone: <no opinion on the smartness of it, just reporting it:-)
BrownDvs: Of course if we view their deaths as not being our problem then it
makes it okay.
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